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Bruce's avatar

Why haven’t they come up with a vaccine that turns people fluorescent green? That way you’d not only know who was vaccinated, but as a bonus, all the vaxxed would get a free drink on St Patrick’s Day.

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Alan Miner's avatar

Outstanding essay, Katie! Thanks for writing and publishing it!

Every time I read something you write, I learn something new. Thanks again!

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MOMinator's avatar

Thank you for the ** and extended comments. To be honest, I almost stopped reading b/c I was afraid you were a “safe and effective” person (those folks who parrot everything they hear without wondering about anything). My bff and brother, both MDs, are two of those people 🙄

Anyway, I didn’t stop reading, and I really appreciate you taking the time!

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Kathryn DeFea's avatar

You're welcome. I think "safe and effective" is a relative thing. It's safer than a lot of things. And it kind of works to prevent infection in some people. So I guess it depends on how you define "safe" and "effective". It does make the body produce antibodies to spike protein, which is a measurable endpoint. From a cell biological perspective, you can call that effective, but for you as the patient, you should get to choose whether that's enough of an effect for you. I have no issue with it passing FDA safety standards to offer as an option, if the risks are honestly presented. I am glad you kept reading. There is a lot of gray area in this vaccine debate and I try to walk a very thin line.

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April Smith's avatar

I know someone who is young, healthy, and fit with zero medical concerns who had two Pfizer vaccines in summer 2021 and a Moderna booster in Dec 2021. In January 2022, she had two full weeks of an awful covid infection, and she's just had another covid infection in April 2022. I am not covid vaccinated and covid in January 2022 was a nothing-burger for me. I took two ivermectin pills and was back to normal other than being a little more tired than usual for two weeks.

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Kathryn DeFea's avatar

April-that us an excellent example of why it is so unconscionable to mandate these. I had the J and J vaccine-I wasn't going to get it and I never get flu shots but my daughter decided to cave to her college vaccine mandate so I went with her in solidarity. She was in bed for 2 days after the vaccine and I was fine. Two months later we both got COVID-and it was a nothing-burger as well. I gave up wine for a week because I couldn't taste it. I couldn't smell my dog's chronic flatulence. It was also very mild for a friend and for my other daughter, neither of whom are vaccinated. Two people we knew were really sick (it seemed kind of like mono for both of them)-one vaccinated and one not. My anecdotal experience says the vaccines don't work and COVID isn't a big deal. But I know a handful of anecdotes are not data. None of us got boosters! Re. Ivermectin, the push against it is so crazy that now I have to get a prescription for my dog's heartworm meds.

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Kathryn DeFea's avatar

I respond to you because you write a newsletter, and thus are perpetuating that which we have been debating. I, nor the author of the post where you first encountered me, are arguing for vaccines or for any of the political actions taken in the name of combatting viruses. You seem to be hell-bent on proving that nothing anyone has ever said about viruses or vaccines is true and it is all part of some conspiracy. You are also reading evasion of your questions into very honest assessments of what is and is not known. I gave you a very thorough and honest answer to your first question back on AMWD's post.

Regarding vaccines, you clearly did not read my article. My point is that vaccine eradication is a lofty and useless goal. Regarding this source you provide here-it is completely consistent with what I said in my newsletter. Some vaccines played a role in the apparent eradication of diseases and others are unable to significantly alter the presence of the virus against which they are designed. Did you even read this book you linked here? The author merely points out that there are other factors at play, which is very important to my point as well. I am arguing against medical tyranny and preventing all vaccinations is a different form of medical tyranny. Asking someone whether they received a medical treatment is inappropriate and none of your business. You are what you claim to be fighting-you are a different form of medical authoritarian.

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Melissa Frey's avatar

Thank you for making this so understandable!

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Kathryn DeFea's avatar

Thank you. Apparently this infuriated some people.

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

"If the vaccine is working to prevent you from becoming infected, you are both protected and unlikely to transmit the virus."

Not true for injected vaccines. They protect against severe disease for a short period.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-0111

"Administration of parenterally administered vaccines alone typically does not result in potent mucosal immunity that might interrupt infection or transmission"

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Vinu Arumugham #MAHA's avatar

"risk of serious complication and death from a COVID-19 infection is much higher than the risk of adverse events from the vaccine."

The lady tasting tea, vaccines and the damage dogmatic doctors do

https://vinuarumugham.substack.com/p/the-lady-tasting-tea-vaccines-and?s=w

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