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Mystic William's avatar

You gave a great explanation. But it ended with where all us skeptics end at. No proof - its a best guess. The fact remains a hundred plus years of ‘virology’ and no one can produce one. The idea they are far too long to actually isolate is based on….what? Since you haven’t isolated one. And the number isn’t in the trillions, what was it, 30,000? Prove it. That isn’t an outsize number. The problem is you BEGIN with the belief in viruses, you assume a virus is going around, and then you go to great lengths to determine which type it is based on past studies which began the same way. It blew me away how shaky viral science is. And the excuses are not valid. ‘Too long’. ‘Too small’! I have heard that one from doctors. Too small!!

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Suzanne Renard's avatar

This is the best article I've read so far, engaging with the reasonable questions of "skeptics" from the perspective of good faith use of available techniques in search of possible pathogens. Bravo! I appreciate that you do this with a tone of respect, not the very common contempt with the tag-line "Stay in your lane!" so readily hurled at intelligent people sincerely researching to find truth.

I'm a practitioner of Traditional Chinese Medicine, which has a very different approach to health and the challenges to it. Yes, there are pathogens--including toxins and stress. Fear is deemed a strong pathogen, which weakens the body's defenses. We've had no shortage of irrational and constant assaults of fear for the past several years.

I would like to mention a well-documented experiment in response to this statement: "It is obviously impractical to directly investigate viral transmission in humans because no one is going to approve an experiment in which you expose healthy individuals to a potential pathogen." This is exactly what has happened for decades in injecting healthy children with childhood vaccines known to cause myriad harms, ostensibly to protect against diseases, which had disappeared prior to the debut of the vaccines. Not a single CDC schedule vaccine has been tested against a true placebo. (See ICAN and the testimony of Attorney Aaron Siri.)

We've been relentlessly preached to in the Covid Era--hardly over and done with--that contagion is an unassailable truth. Illness may not, after all, be contagious. You do beautifully address the crucial element of "terrain" in determining responses to "germs." One thing is for certain: the debilitating fear that weakens defenses can be quite contagious.

The most thorough (though very unappetizing and borderline unethical) experiment attempting (and failing) to prove transmission of viral illness was done by Dr. Milton Rosenau in the Study of Influenza at Harvard University in 1918-1919. It's in the medical archives: https://www.ggarchives.com/

"The experiment began with 100 volunteers from the Navy who had no history of influenza. Rosenau was the first to report on the experiments conducted at Gallops Island in November and December 1918. His first volunteers received first one strain and then several strains of Pfeiffer bacillus by spray and swab into their noses and throats and then into their eyes.

...When that procedure failed to produce disease, others were inoculated with mixtures of other organisms isolated from the throats and noses of influenza patients. Next, some volunteers received injections of blood from influenza patients...Each volunteer was to shake hands with each patient, to talk with him at close range, and to permit him to cough directly into his face.

None of the volunteers in these experiments developed influenza. Rosenau was clearly puzzled, and he cautioned against drawing conclusions from negative results. He ended his article in JAMA with a telling acknowledgement: “We entered the outbreak with a notion that we knew the cause of the disease, and were quite sure we knew how it was transmitted from person to person. Perhaps, if we have learned anything, it is that we are not quite sure what we know about the disease.""

The Taoists and Ayurvedic practitioners have known for thousands of years that illness comes from imbalances in Qi/ Prana/ the electric energetic flow of the organism in its environment. Causes include the presence of either deficiencies of nutrients—including proper nutrition, sunlight, and affection—or excesses of toxins and other pathogens—including negativity, fear, unresolved grief, heavy metals, parasites, and stuck anger which is not effectively transformed into positive action.

It seems to me that this ancient insight may be largely compatible with your view balancing a "cause" with the "terrain" of the individual exposed to it. And, while I remain a "virus skeptic" in the camp with the Doctors Bailey (Sam and Mark, New Zealand), Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr Stefan Lanka, and others, I very much appreciate your effort to shed light on the processes used. A respectful conversation among brilliant people like you and the likewise erudite "dissidents" would do worlds of good in moving humanity in the right direction.

With much respect and gratitude, Suzanne

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